Nel: This is what we, I want you to satisfy yourself. This is exactly what we have here, do you agree that is what we have here.
W: I have not measured it but I will agree.
Nel: You can be sure that it is the same measurements.
W: My lady, can I say that I have great respect for Capt. Mongena and I think he has respect for me as well.
Nel: So what is important to see is that from that position, if you move more to the right, that wall will come into play?
Nel: The wall here, more to the right to the passage.
W: My lady if I can point it out, it was the position, you can even see it here.
Nel: Good, if you go here out go out to the passage?
Nel: So if one moves to C, it will not get to E?
W: My lady, the laser can be at the exact position and then you will be able to retreat.
Nel: I hear what you are saying, you can move forward.
W: You don't need to move forward, you can move your hand.
Nel: It is so difficult my lady, I face B, so where will I have to twist my wrist to get to C.
W: My lady all those shots could have been made from that position. There could have been some movement.
W: If he was moving back to the right, then he would not be able to get to C.
Nel: I don't think you are understanding me?
Nel:The movement to go through C, that places you in that bathroom. Should I try and get a photograph?
W: I am thinking my lady. I would like a chance to answer the question.
W: There is a nice photograph, that shows that space. Go to the next photo.
W: You see there is still space other there.
Nel: You agree that bullet hole A, we all agree that bullet hole A hit the deceased in the right hip. We agree that it was the first shot?
W: Highly probably the first shot.
Nel: Now the pathologist that testified in the defense case, testified that the deceased would have fallen backwards and to the right.
Nel: What we have and where we agree with you is bullet hole A hit her in the hip. Two more bullets hit her.
Nel: Three major wounds, the hip, arm and the head.
W: You showed the left arm, it was the right arm.
Nel: You are right, we all agree that the head wound was the last shot?
W: I think that it was also Prof Saaymans' evidence as well.
Nel: Mr. Dickson gave evidence, that he assisted you on this day and that it was his version that bullet hole C caused E.
W: I wont say he is wrong but he is half way wrong. There is a, you wouldn't take E in consideration.
Nel: I am going to say if you look at that door and you stand inside that door. And you get hit in the right hip and you bend forward.
W: I follow what you are saying my lady.
Nel: You bend towards the handle of the door, you have to, correct me if I am wrong?
W: Both pathologist said that she would not have been moving voluntary.
Nel: After A hit her what happened?
W: She collapsed. It is difficult. My lady can I go and explain in slow motion. I am much bigger then the deceased.
W: My lady, unfortunately you cannot see, I am in the toilet now. Lets take the bullet hole A. We then have another bullet hole.
Roux: My lady can I just enquire as to whether it is being recorded.
W: If you could collapse my lady, her arm coming up, normally to protect your face. To come in with her arm in straight direction with E.
Nel: But where you have difficulty is in that specific wound in the arm, entered the right hand side. You said her right hand must have been at most here to the door.
Nel: Then there is no place for her head. If B hits her in the arm and we take the alignment into account, her head would be through the wall.