Nel: One thing we can also exclude is that if she fell flat to the floor, because there was still a head wound?
W: I don't think she collapsed straight to the floor.
Nel: I agree, she must have been out of the way or B would have hit her?
Nel: We also have to take into account is, do you still remember how how bullet hole C is?
W: I can't remember, 199 I think.
Nel: I will ask Capt. Mongena sitting next to me to find it for us.
Nel: My lady, I am glad somebody else is also struggling to find information in front of you.
Nel: 99.6, which ever. Dealing with the state version, which ever was caused by C must have been in the region of 99cm.
Nel: We have it as 99.4 and 99.3. That would place her not sitting flat on the floor because those two other injuries could not have been caused.
W: If she was sitting, I agree. If she was falling it could have been.
Judge: Mr. Nel, do you mean sitting on the floor or lying?
Nel: Sitting on her bum my lady.
Nel: Also what we have, we also know that the injury to the right hip, it would have been very difficulty for her to sit on her haunches?
W: I understand. I agree.
Nel: So, she would not have been able to support her own weight?
W: I am not a docter, but I agree with the pathologist.
Nel: If she sat on the toilet itself, C and D would not have been able to hit her?
W: According to the evidence she was not sitting on the toilet.
Nel: The other item at the time, that would have given her height would have been the magazine rack?
Nel: So was she not sitting on the magazine rack when C and D hit her?
W: She would not have been able to sit on the magazine rack.
Nel: If she fell back, she cannot support her own body weight, she is sitting on the magazine rack, leaning forward with F at the back. That could give her the height for C and D to hit her.
Nel: You were not able to link the laser through C to E?
Nel: Did anybody give you a version of where the magazine rack during the scene? You then later established where it was?
W: You could clearly see the blood had clotted around the feet of the magazine rack. The blood did nto go underneath.
Nel: You agree with Dickson, that it was there?
W: I also stated that I am not a trained blood splatter expert but I have a lot of experience my lady. No, I didn't notice that with only the blood.
Nel: I hear what you are saying, but I am concerned that you would do the reconstruction and not take that into part?
W: My lady at that stage, Capt. Mongena's report was available to me, which I think it was. Prof Saayman's opinion was that it was a hard surface like a chair.
W: If I look at the form and how that, I say it doesn't look like the appearance doesn't look like a missile.
Nel: I agree with you. I have read your report in depth and I agree with Prof Saayman that it was formed by a hard smooth surface.
Nel: I am testing what you did during the reconstruction, if you took detail into account?
W: My lady, I had a really limited time on the crime scene, a couple of hours. To really conduct a good investigation would require a day or 2.
W: I but have been able to consider it. My time was limited, the time to be honest my lady. It is unfair to ask me a question like that. If I had a week, it would have been something else.
Nel: You had the magazine rack on the scene, why I am asking this question has nothing to do with time, why did you not take the time to consider that?
W: I might have done it if I had more time.
Nel: So why did you put it in the corner?
W: I didn't know where it was standing at that point my lady.
Nel: But you had Capt. Mongena;s report with you?